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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2013-08-12 11:28 pm

Quick comment on Continuum

We watched episodes 1-3 of Continuum tonight and ... I am CONFUSE.

So, when I watched the first episode, I thought it was playing with expectation in a really cool and different way: rather than the little band of time-traveling rebels being the protagonists, we were following the cop from the dystopic future surveillance state as she went back in time to try to stop the rebels before they "fix" the future. There didn't really seem to be good guys and bad guys so much as a bunch of characters who were a blend of both.

After 2 more episodes, though, now I'm just plain confused as to what on earth the show thinks it's doing. We seem to have gone from a setup that's full of cool & interesting moral ambiguity to "The government wants what's best for you! The only people who would question the government's actions are TERRORISTS and EVIL HIPPIES!" This despite the fact that, among other things, the heroine comes from a surveillance state, freely ignores/abuses/circumvents the laws of the present time whenever it's convenient, and tortured a guy in the first episode. And her little computer-geek buddy spies freely on everybody (including her in her underwear) and is building Skynet. But the people she's trying to catch are TEH EVIL so that makes it okay?

I don't want any major spoilers, but I'm wondering if I'm the only one who reacted this way, and whether the show is a little more self-aware of its own moral grayness later on.
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[personal profile] monanotlisa 2013-08-13 08:31 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't watched the show, but my friend Jen -- Canadian and working in the Industry ;) -- claims that yes, the show acknowledges its gray.

Always interested in your opinions, though, if you keep watching.
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[personal profile] ladysorka 2013-08-13 11:28 am (UTC)(link)
The show does acknowledge it's grey, but I think it's also that we're sort of supposed to be seeing things from Kiera's POV, even when we're in scenes with other people, and to her, these things are right and normal. And all she wants is to get home to her son and husband, and back to the world she knows, which she doesn't want changed at all. She likes that world.

It makes for kind of a fascinating perspective, really.
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[personal profile] astridv 2013-08-13 11:35 am (UTC)(link)
The show is very aware of that. Kiera is an unreliable narrator, and the writers (to a larger degree than usual in western tv, imo) trust the viewers to figure out the shades of gray for themselves. It'll all become clearer as the show goes on.

eta: don't know if 'unreliable narrator' is the proper technical term here, but in any case she's the POV character so we're getting a biased view of things.
Edited 2013-08-13 11:39 (UTC)
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[personal profile] cathexys 2013-08-13 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
That's how I'm reading it as well. Like I actually love the fact that we are stuck between rooting for the nice girl who doesn't see anything wrong with the totalitarian future or the murderous terrorists :)

But I think they are very aware, bc the show gets more ambiguous and complex...
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[personal profile] astridv 2013-08-13 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! One thing I really love about this show is the moral complexity and ambiguity. There's no clearly marked line between 'good guys' and 'bad guys'. And people who're basically nice can work for bad causes. Without being aware of it. I find that part actually very realistic.

Yeah, I think the writers are 100% aware of all that, and it becomes clearer and clearer over time, not least through the flashbacks to the future we get in each ep.

I find the show really gripping; I can't believe some people find it boring. That kind of bums me a little. I mean, take the S1 finale... I was on the edge of my seat!
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[personal profile] cathexys 2013-08-13 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I love it too. I find it visually striking in the small future clips and I love the relationships and the way there are very few clear bad guys (and even they clearly fight for something we can approve of)...
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[personal profile] astridv 2013-08-13 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. Even when I don't approve of their methods and don't want to meet them in a dark alley I can always see where they're coming from.
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[personal profile] amalthia 2013-08-14 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
This irked me when I began watching Continuum. The "bad" guys aren't at all sympathetic and are rather indiscriminate in their killing. I think I would have liked if the "criminals" Keira was chasing were actually good people fighting for freedom.
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[personal profile] bironic 2013-08-13 11:37 am (UTC)(link)
I'll be interested to see your continuing reactions to this. I watched the first season, often painfully, before allowing myself to give up. IMO it started strong and then got boring, but I've also seen an LJ/DW friend or two thoroughly enjoy the ambiguity and see complexity in what was going on, so. In the end, Defiance was more my speed despite the wasted potential and clunky dialogue.
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[personal profile] abyssinia 2013-08-13 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember watching the first few episodes and thinking....am I supposed to be rooting *against* the protagonist? And then I forgot to keep watching, so I have no idea how it continues.
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[personal profile] abyssinia 2013-08-13 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Plus, I mean, I had issues because the terrorists are being lead by Bra'tac (okay, Tony Amendola playing a different character) and Stargate trained me to believe in his integrity 100%.

But, yeah, the terrorists both seem on the side of right and yet...are too vested in the means justifying the end.

I vaguely remember feeling like the main character was going to end up deciding the police state of the future is bad. *shrugs*
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[personal profile] veleda_k 2013-08-13 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh. I just noticed this series, and what little I heard made me think that Keira was the bad guy.

I'd love to know if you think it gets any better.