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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2019-10-11 11:44 am

Wiseguy (1987 TV)

I'm watching Wiseguy with [personal profile] rachelmanija and [personal profile] scioscribe. It's a first watch for them, but a rewatch for me. We are just through the end of the first arc (the Steelgrave arc). If you've seen it before, please, no spoilers past the last episode of the Steelgrave arc (1x09) in comments!

If you haven't heard of this show, it's good! The general premise is that the protagonist is an FBI agent (well, TV-FBI-knockoff, I think) and goes undercover in organized crime, making connections with people and then having to betray them; the show also deals extensively with his family/friends, his FBI handlers, etc. Featuring a much younger but strangely not actually that young-looking Jonathan Banks, Jim Byrnes in the first role I ever saw him in (long before Highlander), a brief appearance by a very young David Marciano, and (in a future arc) Kevin Spacey; I'm sorry, but at least he's evil so you can hate him.

I think I'm continually surprised on rewatches how good it still is. The one area where the show feels really dated is how it handles its female characters (NEEDS MOAR WOMEN) but otherwise it's smart and well-written and compelling, with great character arcs; you tend to forget you're watching an 80s show instead of a modern Netflix crime show until you see the cars or the women's hairstyles. It was one of the first primetime shows to do complicated multi-episode story arcs rather than one-off episodes, and it's interesting to watch it from that perspective because on the one hand, it's part of what makes the show so good, but it's also interesting to watch them kind of figure it out, and remember that we're still in the Jurassic period for ongoing serialized TV, as opposed to the DVD/Netflix era when it's all like that now.

I first watched this show when it aired on TV from about 1987-1990. I was quite young then (early teens) but it really made an impression on me. I didn't enjoy it as much as I do now because the show was really too twisty, complicated, and dark for an 11-year-old, but one thing that DID make a huge impression on me was some of the h/c and found-family aspects of the show, which I still remembered clearly (and fairly accurately, as it turned out) when I finally dug it up and did a full rewatch back in 2009.

For a long while this show was really hard to get, but it's now available on Amazon Prime (minus one story arc in season 2 that they couldn't clear the music rights for). Most of the episodes are also up for free on Youtube, though I couldn't find a playlist where they're not at least a little bit out of order, so pay attention to the episode numbers if you watch it that way.

Season 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXgaTPBYt0&list=PLFtpZ659RpvG6FIm1t5rjw-k9f2QNL-ZZ

Season 2 (has the 1st and 2nd eps reversed; I'm linking to the 2nd one which is actually the first one):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x81CHMOP38&list=PLK6gxVQHNBHbMVrKAWEcCvdI6cGrnNGGR&index=2

Season 3 (COMPLETELY out of order; Youtube why - though again, they're well labeled; linking to ep 1):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9uR8P4HIS8&list=PLK6gxVQHNBHZxI5ZpjHjMcesJUWjd_qZO&index=3

There is a season 4 but it's terrible. They completely changed both the setting and the protagonist, and it's a whole different show. I decided to rewatch the first episode of season 4 the other day for the first time since probably about 1989, just to see if it's really terrible or if it's just the betrayed feelings of wee!me coloring my impressions of it, and ... NOPE. Wee!me wasn't wrong. Stop at the end of season three.

And again, no spoilers past the Steelgrave arc in comments, please!
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[personal profile] scioscribe 2019-10-11 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll add for the benefit of anyone reading this that it's really worth it in particular to watch the last episode of the Steelgrave arc on YouTube with the original music.

I had this on my to-watch list for a long time, so I'm glad you and [personal profile] rachelmanija gave me the push to finally get around to it. It really has lasted remarkably well, and has also contributed to me having a wild crush on young Jonathan Banks.

A cute time capsule detail of it all, I think, is the way the credit sequence works to recap the show's premise. You hardly ever get that anymore, but it's always something I've found endearing.
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[personal profile] oracne 2019-10-11 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I was in college when this aired! And it took slash fanzines by storm; I still have never seen a full episode, but I'm really familiar with the characters because art of them showed up so much in multimedia zines and con art shows.
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[personal profile] cofax7 2019-10-12 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
... you will not be surprised to learn that Vinnie/Sonny was the big slash pairing, IIRC.

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[personal profile] ratcreature 2019-10-12 09:18 am (UTC)(link)
Ditto. I never watched an episode but Wiseguy slash was still all over even with early internet slash fandom. I think I read a couple of Sentinel crossovers too.
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[personal profile] musesfool 2019-10-11 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man, this was such a great show! I haven't seen it at all since it aired but I'm glad to hear it holds up.
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[personal profile] 020104isme 2019-10-11 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I seem to remember the singer Martika being in the last season but I have blocked everything else from my memory. I did the same for the last season of Airwolf.
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[personal profile] madripoor_rose 2019-10-11 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Ha! Another one that was on the List and I hadn't researched dvd availability yet, thank you! And another one I didn't watch but my parents did, so it'll be new to me.

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[personal profile] rachelmanija 2019-10-12 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
I am so glad you mentioned this! I'm enjoying it a ton - wish there were more women but the main characters and themes and tropes are so completely to my taste otherwise. Other than the women's hair and the lack of swearing, it feels very timeless, like it could be on Netflix now.
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[personal profile] cofax7 2019-10-12 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, that show. I watched it in real time, and it was the first show that did arc-based storytelling. Shows like Hill Street Blues picked up ongoing storylines, but nobody had these discrete arcs like this. It was so innovative! And of course it was slashy as hell.

Nobody wants to remember S4, though, and I have always disliked that actor as a result.

[personal profile] timespirt 2019-10-12 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
Always loved that show.

[personal profile] timespirt 2019-10-13 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, never missed an episode when it was on. Bought the DVD's too.
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[personal profile] alessandriana 2019-10-13 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I really enjoyed that show when I watched it-- gosh, going on 11 years ago now. (My email informs me you were the one who sent me the link for it. :D) It's actually been long enough I've totally forgotten everything that happened, except, oddly, for the scene where Vinnie is in the car tossing cards(?) into the hat on his dashboard, which I remember in comparatively vivid detail.

Went down the youtube rabbit hole and found the following interview, which I found interesting for the number of times the author talks about Vinnie getting "seduced" by the very thing he's trying to arrest... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtHoWB2WPJo