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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2022-05-23 11:30 am
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Excerpted emails re: Biggles Follows On

The following exchange this morning was too much fun not to share. It references the first couple of chapters of Biggles Follows On, in which Cold War spy hijinks occur, as well as canon-typical flirting.


[personal profile] scioscribe: Started this last night, and I'm extremely amused to see that it begins with Ginger spotting von Stalhein in London and LITERALLY ALL of Biggles's friends being like, "We should report him to some kind of higher authority immediately and possibly have him arrested," while Biggles is 100% like, "Hmm, I don't know. Maybe we should just keep an eye on him ourselves and make thinking about von Stalhein our brand new job. And isn't he just so noble and honorable and skilled? I will now defend spies in general and von Stalhein in particular for half an hour. And we can't get him arrested for nothing, can we? Oh, you have an actual charge? Well ... that's not really important, is it? I vote we still just keep monitoring the situation."

Biggles's friends: "HE'S TRIED TO KILL YOU."
Biggles: "Ha, yes, he does do that sometimes." *stares wistfully off into space*


[personal profile] sholio: I KNOW. Also, the very first thing Biggles asks, IIRC, is "How did he look?" Not "what's he up to" or ANY OF THE OTHER REASONABLE QUESTIONS that one could ask about one's archenemy turning up in England, but more like:

Biggles: How'd he look? Did he look well? Is he sleeping okay? What was he wearing? I need to visualize this properly.
Biggles's friends: ....


[personal profile] scioscribe: YES. That is 100% the vibe. Biggles wants to know 1) are his fantasy images still accurate and 2) should he bring him soup.

[personal profile] sholio: I now feel it would be ENTIRELY in character for Biggles to decide that von Stalhein looks like he's not taking care of himself and actually show up to bring him soup. Picture it: Von Stalhein has managed to sneak into England on a fake passport, such sneaky, very spy, feeling very good about himself, and then there's a knock on the door of the lodgings he's rented under an assumed name and it's Biggles with tea, soup, and strict instructions to take it easy until he gets over that lingering cold.

[personal profile] scioscribe: Honestly, if you told me that happened in the books, I'd believe you.
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[personal profile] philomytha 2022-05-23 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
<33333

I also love Biggles saying, but he couldn’t settle down and get a normal job! He’s so aristocratic and military, he couldn’t work in an office! And Lord Bertie Lissie sitting in the office next to him going AHEM.

There are points where Algy and Ginger do actually say, why don’t you just ask him out to dinner and get it out of your system.
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[personal profile] mecurtin 2022-05-25 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
Since I follow both of you & also Rachel, I can feel myself getting ready to succumb to The Call of the Biggles. Could you guys put together a Good Parts Version Biggles reading list? So I know where to start & what to skip?
Edited 2022-05-25 05:13 (UTC)
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2022-05-23 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Does this canon ever explain how Stalhein gets the Soviets to trust him to spy in the West? I mean, they weren't too keen on Prussia's reactionary landed nobility, when they took over the East from what I recall. "Junkerland in Bauernhand" and all that...
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2022-05-23 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess you could fanwank that he turned class traitor at some point post-WWI, maybe while he worked with the Soviets during Weimar and the early Third Reich in one of the many clandestine going-ons there when Germany secretly cooperated with the Soviets to re-arm and such and had the militaries work together. I vaguely recall planes being involved along with other tech, so that might be topical.

And the Soviets decided to keep him as the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact fell apart or maybe he volunteered because the Nazis eventually got too much for him, he became fully Soviet double agent then.

Then they might have continued to trust him somewhat post-1945.
Edited (typo) 2022-05-23 21:33 (UTC)
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[personal profile] philomytha 2022-05-23 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
He does actually work with the Soviets during the early stages of WW2, he's a German liaison to the Soviets during the Winter War, so this makes sense. Maybe he made some friends then who were willing to trust him again once the Cold War got going.
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[personal profile] philomytha 2022-05-23 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Or! [personal profile] rachelmanija had a theory that he was a double agent during WW2. Maybe he was, but he was a double agent for the Russians.
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2022-05-23 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
He would have certainly had more occasion for contacts with the Soviet side if he worked for the Reichswehr, and as part of his job without starting out as working against German interest. Considering how it seems that much of the German army was apparently camped out in Russia to undermine Versailles and sometimes the democratically elected government in various military-industrial joint ventures... if he started out as a monarchist during WWI, and had the typical attitude of landed gentry in the military towards the Weimar Republic and hates Versailles, it would be certainly in character if he ends up secretly rebuilding the military there.

And then he turns against the Nazis at some point during WWII, and picks his old Soviet contacts because that's the most realistic option for him to secretly work against them.

And then you can have him either remain opportunistically post-1945, or just too deeply entangled, or actually have one of these weird 20th century ideological shifts that people had.
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[personal profile] black_bentley 2022-05-23 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Biggles fanboying over EvS never gets old (well, clearly it does if you're Algy).
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[personal profile] black_bentley 2022-05-23 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Or setting up a date just to get it over with...
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[personal profile] black_bentley 2022-05-23 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
YES. I would very much enjoy this. Algy would be delighted at his own deviousness, and then ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIED.

I did write a fic where he walked in on them in bed together...
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[personal profile] black_bentley 2022-05-23 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
They could ask him to be best man at the wedding.

And he could tell them he'd rather die.
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[personal profile] sheron 2022-11-22 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
oh my god I have arrived at this comment via travelling through rec lists and... this is amazing how have you not written this already LOL
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[personal profile] xparrot 2022-05-23 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
XDXDXD

I have always vaguely regretted that my local library didn't have these books when I was growing up -- I've never actually read them but from all I've osmosed over the years, 11-year-old!Xparrot would've adored them. And I'd never heard that there was villains-to-friends, my very favorite!

(I'm pretty sure 43-y-o!Xparrot would still enjoy them, she just reads a lot less now and there is a LOT of them ^^;;;;)
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[personal profile] xparrot 2022-05-24 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
(One of the ones I just read probably had 5-6 instances of presumed dead in one book alone ...)

...You may know me too well. :P

I would actually love the foe-yay starter kit, as long as it's with the understanding that I have no idea what my brain will or won't let me read at a given moment...but it would be fun to have it, so I may be able to persuade it to try! :D
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[personal profile] xparrot 2022-05-24 09:12 am (UTC)(link)
:D :D :D

Mobi is preferred, but as long as they're unlocked, I've got Calibre so am used to converting everything!

And Gnine says yes please, thank you! (she's got a rather better track record of actually reading things too...)
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[personal profile] hamsterwoman 2022-05-24 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
I totally don't even go here, but have been reading [personal profile] philomytha's Biggles fic canon-blind (because honorable-enemies-to-lovers!), and have thus also been enjoying your and Rachel's posts on the subject, because this sounds absolutely hilarious. Probably not enough that I would track down hard-to-find boy's adventures books from 80 years ago, but definitely enough that I'm looking forward to additional Biggles content on my flist XD
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[personal profile] philomytha 2022-05-24 08:53 am (UTC)(link)
I am halfway through a soup fic and it is all your fault!

I am greatly looking forward to your combined reactions to Hatchet and Looks Back. And incidentally, don't miss Foreign Legionnaire, most of the plot is about something else - Biggles and Ginger go undercover in the French Foreign Legion with the excellently-chosen false IDs of Mr Biggs and Mr Hepple, I am sure von Stalhein looks at them and goes HOW do these clowns keep outwitting me? HOW? - but then the last few chapters are ALL Biggles/EvS content.
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[personal profile] lunabee34 2022-05-24 10:29 am (UTC)(link)
I'm just dying here. LOL

[personal profile] dumb_blonde 2022-10-06 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I NEED to read start of 'Follows On' again. When I read it I didn't realise it was so gay.